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John D

I think you are absolutely correct. Given a choice between 'exciting' GDP growth hopium or 'depressing' environmental news, people want the former. I believe even folks that don't have the intellectual understanding that perpetual growth can't go on forever on a finite earth have a queasy sense that something wrong is going on. They may not grasp all of it, but they sense they're screwed and tune out the bad news.


envi issues dont seem to directly impact pers life as econ issues (inflation, food price, insane monetary policy). i myself guilty of recently putting evi issues on the backburner

Mike Roberts

Posting that John Denver song reminds me that he also sang a Tom Paxton song, "Whose Garden Was This", a song that always brings a lump to my throat about what the future holds for us.


NYT probably shut it down because it wasn't getting enough clicks/ad revenue, too. But both that and the over-riding concern about growth boil down to the same thing - money, and the selfishness and willful blindness that the pursuit of money enhances.

Reminds me of:

"Canada, the most affluent of countries, operates on a depletion economy which leaves destruction in its wake. Your people are driven by a terrible sense of deficiency. When the last tree is cut, the last fish is caught, and the last river is polluted; when to breathe the air is sickening, you will realize, too late, that wealth is not in bank accounts and that you can’t eat money."


full-speed ahead...

They're having a state sponsored Earth Day poster contest for elementary school kids in Utah.

The theme... "Where Would WE Be Without Oil, Gas, & Mining?"


"Bump, bump...down the funny stairs."
Gnossos Pappadopoulis


I just recently got into a bit of an argument on another site after someone attempted to whitewash the industrial pollution on the Cuyahoga that led to it catching on fire. It's literallly come to that - people spread lies about history in order to slander the environmental movement and whitewash industrial pollution.

I called him out on it and somebody else came along to say I should "walk back" my statement.

So, now pointing out lies is offensive but spreading them is admirable. Admittedly, this site is biased (being a car site), but this is probably one of the worst examples of it I've seen. The environmental movement has been a target for a long time, but the level of rhetoric has changed.

The NYTimes closing its green blog is just a sign that even the establishment left has decided it's not even worth paying lip service to environmentalism. I can't say I'm surprised, but I am disappointed.

Environmentalism has been dying for years now, partly due to "greenwashing", partly due to economic issues, and partly due to the movement itself becoming out of touch and focusing too much on big but serious issues like global warming to the detriment of local-level and more visible protection of habitat and species. I think most big environmental organizations also lack the resolve and willingness to stand firm that the extremists on the other side have, and have compromised until there is nothing left.


@Mike Roberts

Thanks for the reminder - check this out...



I can relate. In the 60s I lived in a small town in SE Idaho and hiked into the Teton Mountains one weekend by myself. I enjoyed the wonders of nature, slept under a rock overhang some 20 feet above the forest floor (there were grizzles and other less than friendly animal neighbors then.) and woke up to the sound, yes, the SOUND of huge snowflakes hitting the ground (I bet you cannot even imagine that kind of quiet. ^_^) and the sight of a mule deer and her fawn about 50 feet away.

Fast forward to the 70's and that same area is now a ski and summer resort with the sound of snow mobiles, and people, 24/7/365. What wildlife? Oh, you mean the rowdies at the bar. So sad. My grand kids will never see the world as I did.


Makati, have you read 'My side of the Mountain' by Jean George?
Read it to your grandchildren. They'll love it and you'll cry.

Alexander Ač

Ok, but luckily Paul Gilding still writes and we are "just in time" (for energy transition and having (enough) stable climate):


Well, planet stupid never dies, or who knows...


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