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Diamond's rebuttal pretty much says it all. Hawai'i has a ton of forest, even now, despite the rats. And humans. Somehow, they never got around to cutting it all down, though they were on their way at various points in history.

The situation in Indonesia is not surprising. They had a huge, failed project to drain all the peat bogs on Borneo, cut down the trees, and "develop" the place. They called it the "Mega Rice Project", and what is left now are massive fires and a devestated ecosystem. Go us! We really are ingenious!

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