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It is going to take the collapse of industrial society to force change because we as humans are incapable of changing in large enough numbers to stop the death of the oceans or any of the other problems we face (and I'm sure, Mr. Cohen, that you figured that out a long time ago). Once the dust settles and 80% of us are gone, the earth might heal somewhat in a 100 years or so and those left might have a chance at surviving and starting a new civilization. Without easy access to fossil based energy we hopefully won't get a chance to destroy everything a second time.

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