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08/28/2015

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T e Cho

Hi Dave,

Great post, timeless issues.

A person is born into his limited, local, lucky or unlucky environment. He experiences his own little statistical sample of reality. Hes seen it with his own eyes and knows its 'true', but its a small local sample. Meanwhile everyone and society is constantly telling him what to belive about all of reality, be it the current science, religion, political or social dogma. And often what hes seen differs from what hes been told. What to do?

What does he WANT to believe? What SHOULD he believe? What gets him ACCEPTED into the groups he needs to be in for an easier survival? What gets him laid?

Sometimes its easier to be wrong and running with the herd than right and standing still and getting run over by the herd. For a while anyway , unless hes in the part of the heard that runs off over a cliff.

Does knowing the actual REAL TRUTH about reality, not being a flatlander, make one happier? Anyone?

And in the case of the stock market, its not what IS TRUE, its what people BELIEVE IS TRUE. Prices and money made are based on belief and not on 'true' valuation. Its all great until the belief network crashes to the ground.

And the wild optimists always seem to be having the most fun.

What a world.

Have a good weekend Dave and everyone.

T e Cho

Dave, feel free to delete posts which you feel are too much of a 'downer'. Its been a tough week here, too...

Robert

"Does knowing the actual REAL TRUTH about reality, not being a flatlander, make one happier? Anyone?"
For me, no. Not one bit.

Dave Cohen

@T e Cho

Re: A person is born into his limited, local, lucky or unlucky environment. He experiences his own little statistical sample of reality. Hes seen it with his own eyes and knows its 'true', but its a small local sample

Yes, that's still true to some extent, but the internet allowed us to observe a much wider world than was available previously. This did not of course change human behavior in any important way.

Without the internet and observations it permitted, I could never have written these posts or longer essays.

-- Dave

Dave Cohen

Re: "Does knowing the actual REAL TRUTH about reality, not being a flatlander, make one happier? Anyone?"

For me, no. Not one bit.

This is sad but true. But why is it true?

Suppose you had been observing the world and thinking things over, and you stumbled upon some interesting (albeit devastating) truths about how human beings behave in the general case.

And now you want to tell somebody about these interesting truths because you know that if human beings understood these things about themselves, they could perhaps really change some of their worst behaviors.

But then you find out that telling others about what you've discovered has no effect. And worse still, you are pretty much totally ignored (shunned) when you bring that stuff up. So you end up miserable, which was the very problem you were trying to fix in the first place.

And all this is true because of a very unfortunate property of Flatland -- Flatland is a closed world. In short, you can not make any inroads into it from the outside.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if you stumbled upon these really interesting and pertinent truths and other people were open to hearing about them and eager to know more about themselves?

That would be wonderful because then your misery would be lifted. You would be making a difference!

But that can not happen in Flatland, because Flatland is self-contained (closed).

best,

--Dave

Robert

So, what do you do to make yourself feel better?

I have this overwhelming urge that I can't go on anymore. Knowing all this stuff and having to still lead a normal life. But I have a family, and I love them too much to abandon them.

Recently, this darkness has just enveloped me, and I'm having trouble waking up in the morning. Sometimes I wish I would just stay asleep forever.

Dave Cohen

@Robert

I have a family, and I love them too much to abandon them

Good. That's the answer.

Your darkness is depression. It will pass, and if it doesn't, look for help. Reality is a bummer, but living without Big Hope is doable.

And don't read Doomer websites. They are not good for your mental health.

If you're not sure which sites I mean, I can give you a list.

Hell, if you find DOTE too depressing, don't read here.

best,

-- Dave

USA Patriot

Hey Doomers. Another UP day in the S&P. Markets end the week higher. Remind us again where the collapse is going to come from?

Robert

@ Dave

"And don't read Doomer websites. They are not good for your mental health."

What I struggle with sometimes is distinguishing doom from reality. I mean, there are or were obvious doomers like Mike Ruppert and Guy McPherson. Then, there are another class, some of whom you have pointed out before, who can sound fairly convincing and professional but are slightly less alarming and theatrical than the obvious ones. How do you fine tune your bullshit detector to filter out that class of doomer?

Thanks

Dave Cohen

@Robert

Send me an email. You can find it at the bottom right of the DOTE home page.

-- Dave

T e Cho

Dave,

So why is this website the first or second one many of us go to everyday?

It helps focus on the present, it prevents chasing ridiculous illusory long term goals. For example knowing what I know, I'm not stressed out over the stock market. Or the upcoming election. Or the gradual decline of the environment, average standard of living, wildfires, oceans, and many other matters. Its awful and i try to minimize contribution to the problems, drive an older yet efficient car, efficient showerhead, etc, but accept the long term reality as its more clearly seen.

So, yes, i am or will be in the long run happier knowing reality more accurately, there'll be no painful shocked disbeliefs as the SHTF gradually unfolds. And it will happen.

Dave, please keep up the detailed insights.

Robert, your fortunate to have people that you care about and care about you, people to maybe make a little happier. Thats a great thing to have.

Have a great weekend all, TGIF - really.

T.J.

This USA PATRIOT troll is kinda funny.

Mike Roberts

Robert, I feel the same way, though "can't go on anymore", at least in my case, means that I can't keep trying to be a good citizen of the planet or trying to convince anyone of the mess we've made and the predicament we're in. Luckily (I suppose), my family are much more clued in that Joe Public, but that doesn't stop making them act like ass-holes, which is so frustrating.

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