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01/08/2013

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John D

I remember the Mayor of Norfolk Virginia being interviewed after Sandy. He was saying how he was pushing for billions of dollars in funding for a sea berm, as his city got hit hard. His reasoning was that he needed to protect the millions of dollars in new development in downtown Norfolk. I've been to Norfolk and the downtown is certainly spectacular with all the new hotels and businesses. My question is who the fuck would invest all that money in a flood zone? Only people that expect the government to come to their rescue I assume.

Jim

I do find it interesting that pretty much all the talk about warming just goes to 2100, as if it magically stops there. It's just that out conception of what's important stops there.

Oliver

Apologies Dave, but you really got me thinking today. (Plus ca change...)

Flooded NYC is a vivid example of the likelihood of major disruption owing to rising sea levels, but I would like to see a world map showing remaining landmasses after a rise of say a conservative 7 metres above the current level.

If these scientific projections are borne out, it seems pretty clear that there will be a helluva lot more than a wipeout of big chunks of this Eastern seaboard conurbation. Road and rail distribution networks worldwide will be decimated, while even sea routes will be hampered by hazardous new waters that would take a long time to chart (if anyone could be bothered to embark on such work) plus the elimination of some familiar ports. Power networks will similarly be disrupted. Bread-basket agricultural lands are sure to be inundated by salt water in various regions. Whole island nations in the Pacific will disappear below the surface. And so forth.

This will probably coincide with the end of the resource-starved grid anyway, and no amount of hope, prayer and quantitative easing will make one iota of difference to the outcome.

Of course, the rise will be relatively gradual year on year, so first we will have complaints from increasing numbers of householders and landowners about the failure of local authorities to provide adequate flood defenses, then angry outcries about insurance companies refusing to renew cover against flooding. Who knows when people will get it that the waters will keep rising for the rest of their lifetime and beyond.

I'm no doomer, but it is sobering that among all the talk of fossil fuel depletion and middle class impoverishment and ocean acidification and nuclear irradiation and collapsing food distribution and dangerous extreme weather via climate change, it is the displacement of millions of people by rising water (possibly including drowning events) that brings it home how we're on a one-way trip to a planet hostile to mass human habitation.

I can envisage that the money-blinded plutocracy will be buying up all the desirable mountain retreats in Colorado, Switzerland and elsewhere, in a vain attempt to preserve their genes.

Brian

So I was listening to some podcast recently that was discussing climate change and sea level rise, and the guy talking says something like "Okay, so some people figure that the ocean rises up, so what? We just move inland a mile or so. No big deal. Coastlines have been changing for thousands of years."

I'm shaking my head, thinking...
1) fucking clueless
2) never mind that we are talking, literally, hundreds of millions of people
3) never mind that we are talking about trillions of dollars of existing built capital that People would theoretically want to replace (houses, businesses, docks, cities, etc.) and for which there is unlikely to be any meaningful financing
4) never mind that there are already people living a mile or so inland who might not want to give up their existing property rights (well, this only applies where People have property rights, which, in the case of this much sea level rise would end up being, precisely, no place... fuck 'em... so forget this one...)
5) fucking clueless

Then I deleted the podcast and moved on to SportCenter, exercising my own dominant Free Will. ;-)

Alexander Ač

Oh yes, humanity can ignore a lot lot of important things... such as "going uphill downstairs" see this down-ward global warming escalator:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=47
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Well yes, the latest "down-ward" trend is the longest, just wait till the cooling effect of aerosols evaporates...

Alex

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