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01/09/2013

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JohnWDB

It's interesting (sad) how all one needs to do to introduce doubt is to say that some "scientists" are skeptical. The term is associated with objective, even-handed science, and contrasted with reactionary advocacy. Fisheries scientists are skeptical about overfishing, Exxon-employed "environmental" scientists are skeptical about global warming, tobacco-industry scientists are skeptical their product is addictive or carcinogenic, Paul Krugman is skeptical about the end of growth. So as long as so many credentialed thinkers are "skeptical", action is not required. We'll sit on our hands and wait for consensus.

Clyde

Was that a Passenger Pigeon I just saw?
Maybe not.

Oliver

When all is said and done, it is simply astonishing how clever "we" are at converting entire planetary stocks of physical resources into ultimately useless metaphysical dollar bills in personal bank accounts - way beyond the level needed to fund the survival and reproduction of our kind.

What's the point in all this? The point is, there is no point.

It's a no-brainer. Literally.

Lin S

Once the fish, birds, and animals in our food chain have all been depleted, humans will become extinct, too. 2 + 2...

In my youth I once remarked to a Physics major friend from college about how angry and upset upset all of the real estate development of southern California's rich farmlands made me. He replied, "dude don't worry, in 10,000 years you will never know humans were ever here."

And that made me feel better.

John D

I'm starting to hear about disease spreading through fish farms. Pretty soon they'll be stuffing them with steroids to fatten them up and antibiotics to keep them healthy. God help us.

J. Drew

Its totally the fishing Industrial complexes fault I went out for Sushi the other night and stuffed my face with delicious seafood. Yep. I just can't understand how they could do a terrible thing like that, making me order all that delicious rice wrapped fish...

Mike Roberts

Yes, it's the problem of shifting baselines. Also, here in New Zealand, there still seems to be plenty of fish and fish varieties at the fish counter. So this kind of information goes over people's heads, if they see it at all, and the top chart above shows overall fish supplies continuing to rise, further dulling peoples critical thinking abilities (if they have any left). Heck, if the "climate crisis gathers front-page attention on a regular basis" but still produces no significant action, I very much doubt whether the crisis in the oceans will provoke any. The future looks bleak indeed.

Makati1

If you ever noticed the size of the fish now caught and presented in the form of food, you would see why we are depleting our fish stocks. When you keep even the immature fish, you are killing off future stocks. I like canned mackerel which is common here in the Philippines. The steaks in the tuna fish sized cans are from very small fish. Ditto tuna. We are eating ourselves to extinction, like every other extinct species.

Joshua Holmes

Many centuries ago, we killed off huge swaths of the natural world on land so that we could farm. Instead of collapse, it actually drastically increased the amount of human food that land could produce.

We'll do something similar with the oceans. We will shift from wild catches to aquaculture, just as we shifted from hunting to farming. We will farm the ocean for human & fish food and build fish CAFOs to use the feed. Rather than harm us, the shift to ocean farming will provide even more food. Just as destroying land diversity made us more numerous, destroying ocean diversity will do the same. Perverse, but true.

So cornucopia, right? I doubt it. Ocean farming will suffer the same fertilizer and climate limits as land farming. But there's a lot of room in the ocean between now and then, I think.

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