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12/20/2012

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Ken Barrrows

Ahhhhhmen.

Ben

The Matrix Reloaded: The Architect Scene (with subtitles)
http://youtu.be/8K-g7ipAqYY

Oliver

Wunderbar. Now that's a Prayer to Whom worth becoming religious for.

Ean Gray

Meh, not quite with you on this one, Dave. Sure, the idea of thinking that we live in a simulation is a bit absurd. Sure, it directly parallels the idea of a "super-simulator" or God. However, I don't quite see why this particular avenue of finding out about the reality we live in deserves derision. At least, they're attempting to find a modicum of evidence, instead of just declaring it true (like most theist) None the less, enjoyed the read--informative as always.

Dave Cohen

@Ean

There is no essential difference whatsoever between the theological argument I outlined and Nick Bostrom's imaginings, which I pointed out in the post.

And despite what the scientists cited in the Discover article believe, Bostrom's simulation theory is not testable (falsifiable), regardless of their absurd belief that it is. This follows from what I said just above (and in the post) and the fact that our knowledge of the Cosmos is incomplete (and always will/must be).

And I quote from that article--

If we are living in such a program, there could be telltale evidence for the underlying lattice used in modeling the space-time continuum, say the researchers. This signature could show up as a limitation in the energy of cosmic rays. They would travel diagonally across the model universe and not interact equally in all directions, as they otherwise would be expected to do according to present cosmology.

If such results were measured, physicists would have to rule out any and all other natural explanations for the anomaly before flirting with the idea of intelligent design. (To avoid confusion with the purely faith-based creationist ID, this would not prove the existence of a biblical God, because you’d have to ask the question "why does God need a lattice?")

This "lattice" is a figment of the imaginations of some very confused humans. And the real proof that this fantasy is unmitigated bullshit is implicit in Dave's Plea for Mercy.

Homo sapiens as such appears to have no future. Why would anybody simulate that? It certainly wouldn't be our super-evolved descendants!

I didn't want to get into this stuff in the post itself.

-- Dave

JohnWDB

So, people who believe in a creator that made them through imagined supernatural means are fanatical nut-jobs, but people who speculate that a creator made them with imagined natural "technologies" are brilliant scientists. Gotcha. Will there be Wednesday night services or just Sunday morning?

FJM

In a way you can say that your whole body is programmed, even your brain. Your senses, which only pick up a small part of the total spectrum of information available and the brain are programmed by evolution to handle this information so this organism can interact . You can see that the brain at a certain level can be programmed by knowledge, thinking and learning. You can say that culture is this program made by thinking. The first part, the programming by evolution is not the problem, not at all. It`s the second part,the programming by thinking and it`s child knowledge where you can find the problem. And so, if you don`t know what this new "toy", thinking which evolution has "thrown up" lately is, what it can and more importent what it can`t , we are lost.
And that`s exactly the situation were`re in..........

Ean Gray

"And despite what the scientists cited in the Discover article believe, Bostrom's simulation theory is not testable (falsifiable), regardless of their absurd belief that it is. This follows from what I said just above (and in the post) and the fact that our knowledge of the Cosmos is incomplete (and always will/must be)."


Oh yeah, forgot about the whole falsifiable thing--yup good point. I humbly retract my previous statement.

Andrew Kirk

Brilliant, as always, Dave. I am certain that you will be amongst the Anointed on the Last Day.

Dave Cohen

@Andrew

Well, the last day is tomorrow and I wanted to finish with a flourish!

;-)

-- Dave

Makati1

I suspect we do live in a computer generated situation where numbers are typed in and plans pop out, to be implemented by our masters. Although, they must be the dumbest computers on the planet to have created this mess. Or, perhaps our masters are not that smart?

John D

Ah, it's all a computer simulation! Now I see why Bernanke keeps printing money. Minor software glitch!

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