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10/23/2012

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Dan Henry

From my experience, I dont trust these figures at all(surprise!). Putting your loans in forebearance, deferment etc takes a few mouse clicks...just as ridiculously virtual as signing up for the debt in the first place. The percentage of my generation being fucked is much much higher than these numbers say.

John D

Don't worry. After enough students default on these predatory loans and the banks lose big money, us taxpayers will bail these banks out.

JohnWDB

"In a failed society, the Evil which lives within flawed humanity has become free to do what it will."

Hear, hear, Dave. This reminds me of my chat the other day with another reader. It isn't capitalism that destroys capitalism...it's greedy mofos. In a well-run society, the government serves to prevent exploitation of the weak and/or vulnerable by sociopaths. When the government gets bought by the sociopaths...well, sociopathy becomes the new normal. Mark Taibbi over at Rolling Stone has some ideas about when and how that buying happened. I don't think it really matters, as long as we can all see that it did indeed happen. Maybe then we can stop pretending like the Messianic politician du jour is actually going produce a modicum of change in the status quo. Curtis Roosevelt laments publicly that Obama isn't more like his grandpappy, who helped produce actual financial services industry reforms 80 years ago. He remains among the disillusioned, but at least he's being critical. The majority of Americans don't seem to actually look at results/facts/data.


JohnWDB

Dave, check out this link for more CFPB strong-armed tactics:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/business/reverse-mortgages-costing-some-seniors-their-homes.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

So, in order to mitigate the problem of having banks jerk old ladies' homes out from under them, "the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is working on new rules that could mean better disclosure for consumers and stricter supervision of lenders."

What we need is rules that force banks to be honest about their theft. The theft will go on, but those old biddies won't have anything to complain about because they didn't read the 4-point font fine print on the back of page 38 that said "we're going to rob you".

Dave Cohen

@John WDB

In the sentence ...

"The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is working on new rules that could mean better disclosure for consumers and stricter supervision of lenders"

... the operative word is could.

The word will was available, but did not fit the case.

-- Dave

JohnWDB

In the words of Captain Barbossa from Pirates of the Carribean, "And thirdly, the code is more what you'd call 'guidelines' than actual rules"

Dave Cohen

And even better would have been this rewrite...

"The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau has put new rules into place that require better disclosure for consumers and enforce stricter supervision of lenders"

-- Dave

Bill Hicks

"America's manifest failure can probably go on for many years in its current form."

I don't what is more maddening--that there is no chance that things will change before failure occurs or that we have so much wealth and prosperity to squander that even deliberately trying to throw it all away is likely going to take decades.

Chris in chicago

I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who said " Democracy creates wealth and wealth destroys democracy"

BrianM

To paraphrase the famous quote (original author apparently unknown), the greatness of a society is judged on how it treats its weakest members.

How do we treat the young (students), the old, the poor, the sick?

Nuf said.

Shawn

While we are doing the quote thing, I'd just like to add one of my favorites from a previous epic failure:

"We have been brought into the present condition in which we are unable neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy

Sounds familiar.

Oliver

Dave - re: "On the other hand, America's manifest failure can probably go on for many years in its current form."

On the other other hand, the military 'defense' establishment (look up Orwell) is spoiling for a proxy war with Russia and China using Iran as the whipping boy once the election muck has settled, so on the basis that war is full of unexpected surprises, and this particular war will doubtless go nuclear quite quickly, the great country of America could have a life-shortening situation on its hands within the year.

Will mass protests on American streets rein in the politico-military-fascists? I doubt it.

Oliver

PS - What do you make of this Dave:

http://www.shalereporter.com/industry/article_fcd5b9cc-1a35-11e2-9cdc-0019bb30f31a.html

Is the failed society suicidal??!

Regards, Oliver

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