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09/26/2012

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Ken Barrows

I suspect most cornucopians think nuclear fusion will assume the role of fossil fuels. I don't see how the net energy will ever be there for fusion.

hydra-head

In the words of the inimitable Frank Zappa, "Some scientists claim that hydrogen is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe."

Embrace the stupidity. Love it, cherish it, own it.

Sitting on the beach, earning 20%

The real tragedy, imho, will be when TPTB starting using up what's left to fight over what's left, that is, they will waste what little we have left on fighting over control for it and it'll be gone by the time that fight is over, instead of investing what little is left into trying to preserve it for as long as possible. Instead, we're using it up faster and faster as more countries come on line, i.e. China & India.

Aaaaaaaaaaaand, it's gone

Bill Hicks

We in the Peak Oil community should just keep repeating over and over "there's a million years' worth of sunlight in every tank of gas," until the idiots get it. Nah, who am I kidding? They never will.

Dave Cohen

Just for the record, I would like to point out that I am not a member of the Peak Oil community, having turned my back on that dubious honor some time ago.

Or, to echo Groucho Marx, I refuse to be in any club which might have me as a member. Or any club or community period, for that matter.

And apparently, for those who are full-fledged members of the Peak Oil community, the feeling is mutual. They don't want me around fucking up their deal :-)

-- Dave

J. Drew

Nice little overview Dave. I remember a couple of years ago, when I first started getting curious about the connection between energy and the economy, how shocked I was at the beliefs of mainstream economists and their bogus "mathematical" formulas and their dismissal of even the possibility of the importance of energy and resource constraints. Tom Murphy (I think) Posted a transcript of a conversation he had with one of these tools at a dinner party that was downright scary. When pressed on how we were going to have a growing economy forever, he basically just figured we could just crank up the abstraction knob to eleven, (think the "app economy"), the endgame being the human race becoming largely a race of pod people. He didn't see anything wrong with that.

On a side note, I just noticed a photography book on my coffee table written by a David Cohen, that the inside jacket claims to "challenge us to consider how socially conscious photography can spark public discourse, spur reform, and shift the way we think." I'm guessing its a different Dave.

rich domingue

How will humans adjust to a reduction in the availability/increased cost of energy and how will they manage a future in which the externalities of energy exploitation threaten their existence? I believe there is only one real solution (outside of a ride on the starship): depopulation. If indeed, depopulation is the answer, what is the path humans will take to get there? Some paths are significantly uglier than others - and the ugliest include the maintenance of the status quo (hierarchical socity). So, if cooperative population reduction is an absolute necessity, why are so few talking about it? The reason population reduction is not an everyday politcal-economic discussion is that excess population serves the overlying hierarchical structure - squeeze a few dollars/calories from each in a population of billions and the elite enjoy more wealth and more power. This will not end well.

Ben

@ Rich

Well, there are military reports that specifically deal with this subject: The Joint Operating Environment 2010 http://www.jfcom.mil/newslink/storyarchive/2010/JOE_2010_o.pdf

Brian M

I like to think of it as all of modern humanity is built as boats on a river of Fossil Fuels. The increasing flow of the river has, like any big river, allowed more traffic. As the flow of the river wanes, it will support less traffic. In a hat tip to physics, what goes up, must come down.

Alexander Ač

And in the meantime, rate of ocean acidification is the highest in at least 300 000 000 years...:

http://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2012/8811.html

Alex

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