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09/09/2012

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T E Cho

Dave,

Yep, great post and a key point in the Rube Goldberg world economy.

The only reason manuf goods are not inflated here due to the BS-service-dollars being of minor value is; China's keeping their currency so low artificially. So comparison of China GDP and USA GDP is apples and oranges. People would be shocked to see the real GDP of China if the exchange rate were fair.

Put another way, in an economy which goes from 9 people growing food, making electricity, building houses, making autos, sewing, canning, making bicycles, making computers, etc and one person cutting hair -to an economy where 9 people cut each others hair for $1000 a haircut, and one person does all the rest, the cost of food and goods would skyrocket. But China is doing the manuf for now.

And what have we done with the 'savings' from cheap Chinese goods? We've invested it in BS services.

BTW, for govt accounting purposes, isn't military costs a service? Is that in the GDP?

T E Cho

One more question, shouldnt the graph add up, Goods + services = GDP? Or maybe the govt is he last component, not seen in the graph.

Dave Cohen

@T E Cho

No, the graph shown doesn't need to add up. There are other components left out. For the curious, follow the data link under the graph.

-- Dave

Bill McDonald

Let me see if I get this.

The banks like JP Morgan and the Central Banks, create money out of the thin air by keying it in to the computers. This "money" is handed out and starts spinning round and round, changing hands, while nothing real is being built, spinning like a top(whirling dervish economy?) and the banks and the governments take a little cut as it spins from hand to hand. Gee, I think I just learned what the "velocity of the money supply" means,and the whole system starts to look huge through the optical illusion of all these tops spinning all over the place- and this makes the graphs start climbing, as if something real is happening and like the economy is finally beginning to fire on 4 out of 8 cylinders instead of the two that are actually laboring away.

These same banks and the bigger spinning top owners want to see the spinning to continue so they find inventive ways to give the politicians and regulators their own little tops to spin, which so enthralls them that no way will they ever consider enforcing those silly old laws which said you must actually build your own top or buy it from someone honest who will make that top to exacting legal standards- that's too old fashioned and slow, f--- that!

As long as the "money" keeps being created right out of the ether and the old standards keep being ignored, this Grand Top Spinning game, or Great Circle Jerk, can continue; my question is when the "money" dries up and the tops stop spinning, who will be there except the rest of us, the ones not in on the action, to clean up all the mess and destruction caused by these runaway spinning tops flying all over the place?

T E Cho

Yes, and be sure to save your pennies, so the banks can take it and loan it out at 10x to their golfing buddies, to invest, create jobs, and grow the economy - overseas. Why would they loan it back to the lazy, stupid, greedy middle class, instead of the hardworking, brilliant, generous 1%.

Financial Onanism at it's best.

Ben

The Economy. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

adam

"Real wealth must be physical"

That's why it's called real estate. Also called real property. It's pretty much the only souce of wealth until industrialization came along, and to this day underlies every other source of wealth. The bubble was a mess... for those deeply in debt. The banks made off with the real property through foreclosure. Also notice that the vast majority of truly rich people have lots of real estate.

The problem with the circle jerk economy is that service jobs are often extremely low paying. So what you get is relentless downward pressure on standard of living, which due to the various movements to centralize real property in the hands of a few over the last couple hundred years, means you have people who take money in for service and then pay it right back out in rent, since they own nothing but personal property.

This is especially true of urban dwellers, and most people are now urban dwellers for various reasons. There are ways to change the distribution of real property, of course, but not within the current system.

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