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09/27/2012

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Ken Barrows

Household debt is a disaster. If we look at total debt/GDP, the economy "failed" decades ago. We cannot maintain our lifestyles for even the short run with less debt. So, more private debt, then more public debt, then more private debt, repeat ad nauseum.

Screech

People do not like to revisit big decisions. Doing so threatens the ego and, by extension, ones position in the scheme of things.

If Dad bought Chevy trucks then I will too. If my friends like the Yankees then I will too. If high school was good enough for Pete then it's good enough for me. If mom went to work after having kids then I will too. And so it goes.

This problem is at the heart of all that ails us now. (And all that ever has ailed us.) It is why chaos will result from personal and societal inertia. It is why no decision can work even if that decision is perfect for all of humanity and the Earth.

"A scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it."
Max Planck

Sad, isn't it?

Bill

I'd bet the increase is due to $4 gasoline riding on the VISA card...

JohnWDB

Yes, Bill, and $5 milk, and $3 bread, and the entire basket of goods whose prices are tied to petroleum. With 23% interest, the $4 gas becomes $6-$8 gas, when and if it is ever paid for. Debt that doesn't either translate into greater future income (*some* student loans) or substitute for otherwise necessary expenditures (mortgages in lieu of rent) is a good way to ensure chronic poverty. Krugman has bought into the lie that bubble economies represent real economic growth. Unfortunately, they are a facade, designed to wring a few more years out of a failing system. Collectively spending more than you make might puff up a phony economy, but the day of reckoning always comes eventually. That day is today. Krugman's solution is to either publicize private debt or depreciate private wealth (printing money). In his mind, the solution is obvious and if not for a few meddling kids in the Republican party, these genius solutions would already be implemented.

Don Levit

Personally, I think the private debt explosion is merely an extension of the public debt explosion.

People like Krugman seem to think that debt is good. There are many people I have corresponded with on other blogs who believe that government debt is equal to cash.

Bruce Webb over at the Angry Bear blog believes the Treasuries in the SS trust fund are better than cash, for the Treasuries pay interest. He fails to mention that redeeming the Treasuries' interest since 2008 (and eventually the principal) requires new general revenues, as it does for all pay-as-you-go government expenses, like Medicaid.
Even the interest on the SS bonds is paid with more debt (not cash).

People like Bruce are very intelligent, but when it comes to the SS trust fund, it seems his heart has completely outsourced his brain.

This is in spite of many excerpts and links I have provided from the Treasury, the GAO, the CBO, and even the Social Security Administration itself!

The mantra in the 1980s was "Greed is Good."

Now, the mantra is "Debt is Good."

Don Levit

Ken Barrows

Maybe debt is so good that the USA should collect all government revenue through debt and forget about taxes.

Ben

I wonder how much debt household debt will "jump" after the inhumane bastards in our government cut social security. It makes me fucking sick just thinking about it.

Taylor @ UK Payday Loan

The debt households will surely raise more than we think, then they’ll just stay quiet.

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