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09/05/2012

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PBD

Errrr - Dave .... I don't think it's remarkable at all that David Frum's article failed to mention Climate Change, etc.

You DO know that this is the same David Frum - neo-con extraordinaire - that gave birth to the phrase "Axis of Evil" when he was George Bush's speechwriter?

And co-author, with the “Prince of Darkness” himself - Richard Perle - of "An End to Evil: How to Win the War on Terror".

I don't care how much this demon-spawn of Canadian journalist Barbara Frum has "re-invented" himself ( http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/08/16/the-reinvention-of-david-frum ) - he must be up to something by lamenting the starving poor of the world - but it can't be anything good in my view.

Dave Cohen

@PBD

No, I had never heard of David Frum. And of course I was being a bit sarcastic when I said "that's a serious omission" regarding his not mentioning global warming.

People may think I keep up with these assholes, but I don't.

Thanks for the background on yet another soulless child of the devil.

-- Dave

gretchen

Living in Hawaii pushes to the forefront the interconnection between higher oil prices and food. Perhaps people will want to believe that climate change will affect weather will affect food costs and make that the reason for higher prices and scarcity, but I don't believe it. We have food stores from record crops in the last few years which should ameliorate any problems in crop production this year due to weather. It's the high cost of fuel causing fewer shipments that is causing high food prices and scarcity .
This article is from 2008 and food prices are much worse now. http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/18/news/economy/Lawrrence_Hawaii_shipping/index.htm
info regarding record crops in 2010 and 2011 http://www.nass.usda.gov/Newsroom/2011/01_12_2011.asp

Dave Cohen

@gretchen

I will be posting about the correlation between food prices and oil prices at some point in the future.

However, since oil prices are phony--artificially high--and higher oil prices cause transport costs to rise, and that inflation drives food prices as well, the issue is not as simple as it may appear on the surface. And there is also speculation in the food markets similar to that we find in the oil markets.

Here's a good place to start (Bloomberg, August 24, 2012)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-24/fuel-costs-plus-u-s-drought-equals-higher-food-prices.html

-- Dave

Ben

@Dave

Thank you for covering this story Dave.

Re: the issue is not as simple as it may appear on the surface

I've been trying understand exactly how all of this works for a while now ... with little success.

Capt. Bat Guano

Dave, how about a global action to remove food from the commodities/speculative market. I guess the assholes that make their parasitic livings from speculation would fight this but you would like to think that they may develop some thing resembling a touch of empathy on this sole issue.

Wheelerlucas

How about that I live in Hawaii to. A UH student friend of mine sent a very interesting post from www.thinkprogress.org. It is a summary of "Uber-hedge fund manager" Jeremy Grantham latest report entitled "Welcome to Dystopia! Entering a Long-term and Politically Dangerous Food Crisis". http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/08/16/681571/jeremy-grantham-on-welcome-to-dystopia-we-are-entering-a-long-term-and-politically-dangerous-food-crisis/. If you go to the post you will find that Grantham sees the global food situation as developing along the same lines that you do Dave.

Read some of the responses to the post and you will find a number of them are quite stupid -- fine examples of "progressive conspiracy theorizing". They are filled with talk of Bildibergers and their evil "Malthusian agenda".

This is my first response. I hope it is positive contribution to the discussion. Dave you have made the right decision about where to focus your energy!

Ben

@PBD

I don't want to speak too much about David Frum, however, I want to make you aware of something: Frum didn't "birth" the phrase the Axis of Evil; Frum recycled WW2 era Allied propaganda (e.g. the Axis alliance, Axis nations, Axis countries) and adapted it to, then applied it to Iran, Iraq, and North Korea.

TulsaTime

Dave- Excellent observations on the role of food in the 'modern' world. I was in college when the Rome study came out, and it sparked a vigorous exchange about whether population or ag science would win in the long run. We are in the overshoot area where if science flags, or natural processes go bad, famine will be taking off. Do you suppose reproduction overwhelms science by being more brain stem than forebrain?

Mike Roberts

Gretchen, I understand grain stocks are at a long term low, despite the record harvests of the last couple of years in the US. For example, see http://www.fwi.co.uk/Articles/31/08/2012/134844/Grain-stocks-at-12-year-low-at-end-of-201112-cereal.htm

PBD

@Ben - I'm not sure of the significance of your point, Ben.

I assume that pretty much everyone with at least an "armchair" understanding of 20th Century history (which is certainly all I would claim for myself!)is aware of the terms 'Allied Powers" and "Axis Powers" in connection to WW II.

But my understanding of recent "pop culture" (or whatever you'd call it) with respect to the specific phrase "Axis of Evil" is pretty much as I characterized it. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil )

I have always presumed that a potent aspect of the propaganda value of that specific phrase is indeed the echoes of WW II, Hitler, Nazism, etc. that it connotes.

In any event, to me it seems a rather minor aspect of the overall drift of my comments, which was to suggest that one explanation for the absence of any references to Climate Change, etc. in his CNN piece was because, as a (former?) "neo-conservative", he would presumably be adverse to acknowledging the concept, which I would suspect would be anathema to his political outlook.


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