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08/12/2012

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Wanooski

Grim, bleak, and right on the money, Dave. The gilded age plutocrats wish they had the kinds of power of manipulation today's plutocrats have, and because of that manipulation, there will be no revolution, not even reform, because that would be "socialism" and would take more than five minutes. So Joe Blow doesn't care, he's got some Bud to drink and a football game to watch.

Bill Hicks

I think one of the big reasons why so many people have trouble seeing the truth as you have spelled it out here is because the propaganda has become SO sophisticated that overt coercion such as seen in previous totalitarian societies such as Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union is no longer necessary except in rare circumstances. You and I are free to pretty much say whatever we want about the way things are, and just so long as we do not actively try to organize a violent response the state is not likely going to surpress us. Not because it approves, obviously, but because the expenditure of resources required to do so is not necessary.

It always makes me laugh whenever I read comments like "(such and such) truth teller or whistleblower is going to meet with a fatal accident soon," when it should be perfectly obviously that 99% of the population could not possibly care less what that person is saying. At this point, there is no real reason to read dystopian science fiction anymore (even though I love it). We're living it.

T E Cho

Technology has changed everything. Even those who work on it everyday can't fully predict the growth in capabilities of robotics and software just a few years down the road.

It won't provide limitless energy, faster than light travel to distand paradise worlds, cure world hunger or feed everyone, but computer power and robotic capabilities do have much much more power and capabilities to offer very soon.

For it's owners.

notdavenotcohen

dave,

since you are so into moderating the comments and turning away "idiots" who disagree i decided to spend my time republishing your blog with OPEN comments

you may chose to kill this comment as usual but may let it in and see if the weirdos comment more than your regulars

i hope you are curious about who you are turning away with your attitude of not letting the "stupid comments" to go thru

of course you may not want to publish this for fear that the other site will gather more commenting than yours - that is always available to you

in any case i will continue copy pasting your posts and you can always check out if anyone ever comments on that site

Joy

"the middle class is kaput, democracy will not reassert itself, there will be no people's revolution"

Yes. And the situation is global. In remote New Zealand, the utterly non threatening Kim Dotcom was the victim of an paramilitary airborne early morning assault by the US FBI and local SWAT team for alleged US copyright violation. In Sydney, armed teams of jackbooted thugs with dogs patrol the streets and trains. Meanwhile, London is the CCTV capital of the world. I know people who lived under communism in the 60s-80s, and they all agree that the current global repression is even worse. There are no free peoples, only the boot stomping on the human face forever.

Wanooski

What the hell is notdavenotcohen on about? What's the point? Dave reads all the comments before he decides to post them and all of the regulars know the kind of things that the deleted comments are about. Global warming deniers, techno-utopians, conspiracy theorists blathering about the Fed, and vote-topians claiming that whichever presidential candidate you vote for will solve all the world's ills.

John Andersen

Dave,

Thank you for that post.

My only happiness is in pushing away from my own life consumerism, and delusional thinking, and turning my heart and mind to meaningful things like helping people, thinking enlightening thoughts, enjoying what is left of nature, etc.

There is joy in that, and in meeting others who are doing the same thing.

And that is good enough for me.

Ben

Eventually we'll reach a point the impoverished and radicalized middle class who need jobs, who's job opportunities have been destroyed, are going necessitate a response from the state. A super-militaristic foreign policy, as history shows, is a tried and true method to distract the attention of impoverished and disenfranchised masses.

Jeff Dison

I think Mahatma Gandhi is the only real revolutionary with something to teach. I firmly agree that anyone whom directly challenges what is out their currently is a complete and utter fool. I think that in a chris hedges context, I do not disagree with little mini acts of resistance, however, I think that this is something that should take place in day to day living. Their is too many times where I see people talk a good game but do not take the actions to back it up. What do I mean? Ride a bicycle to work, shop at farmers markets, vote with your wallet! In my humble opinion, the oppression is also horizontal. Lots of BS can bed remedied pretty quickly through judging whom we associate with and holding them accountable, which unfortunately is pretty much EVERYONE! It can get much worse before it gets any better and unfortunately, the people with the bad ideas have to die off first, that is one way change actually happens, but change is unfortunately extremely democratic unlike the political ruse of democracy. To the authors credit, I do agree that energy and resource depletion are very real concerns, unfortunately hardcore change is usually accompanied by the proverbial brick wall.

notdavenotcohen

@wanooski

to err is human
dave is human
we can expect that some of the comments dave blocks may have benefited DOTE

i am running an experiment to see if there any people who would bother to comment on the mirror site

i think it is highly unlikely that there are many people who come to DOTE and whose comments are always rejected

and don't forget that to sometimes "crazy words of weird people" may spur important discoveries

John Theodorou

"Strength Through Exhaustion", or "Last Man Standing" to the bitter end. This is the "Martingale betting strategy" of doubling down after each loss (Paul Krugman's belief that new debt will solve the problems of too much old debt is on such example, as you've pointed out in previous posts). This path only ever leads to dissipation and ruin, quickly and catastrophically and since 99% + of the planet shares this viewpoint to some degree then our goose is indeed, well and truly cooked.

Also, Meadows et al in their c.2000 update to Limits to Growth brought forward the initial estimate for global collapse by 20 years, to c.2030 - c.2050 (the latter date based on a double resource scenario), citing accelerated trends in resource consumption and environmental degradation as the cause, which seem to be increasing exponentially. Perhaps even c.2040 is a too optimistic date, given that things are going from bad to worse more often and with greater repercussions than ever?

James

notdavenotcohen: Could you come up with a worse logical fallacy? Sure humans err, but that in no way invalidates any particular statement. Humans also inevitably die. So what? You are twisting the classic illustration of the transitive property (A=B, B=C, therefore A=C) as illustrated with Aristotle (All humans are mortal, Aristotle is human, Aristotle is mortal). If you have a critique of Dave's analysis, just make it. Don't hide behind some "experiment" baloney.

Dave seems to call it as he sees it. If he doesn't want nutjobs making comments about how aliens have infiltrated the govt and are building colonies on Thule, seems fair enough to trim them!

Robert Henderson

I think much of the problem lies in the fact that so many women work now (certainly not a bad thing) compared to years ago, that you have so many dual-income households. This creates a major disparity in household income between dual-income homes and single-income homes. Years ago, the majority of households had one income.

On top of that, we have been consistently losing typical "middle-class" jobs (manufacturing). These have been replaced by higher-paid knowledge jobs and low-paid service-sector jobs. So if you lack the education or background for a higher-paying knowledge job, you are more likely to have been pushed down into a low-paying service-sector job.

TulsaTime

Well said, author. I hold my most secret optimism in a dark spot, that the economic totalitarianism of our day will shatter in the crash that finance has made inevitable. Sadly, that will also be the start of a great die off. This mass of life on earth is only possible because of the incredibly complex structures we have been able to create over centuries of expansion. Said expansion would seem to be at an end, baring an advance to fusion.

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