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07/03/2012

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Screech

Mr. Cohen:

You wrote: "Considering the source is a fundamental Rule of Life. Do not simply evaluate the content of what somebody says. You must also evaluate who that person is, what special interests he represents, whether what he says is self-serving, and so on."

Let me suggest that if you have evaluated the content of what someone has said and have found it to be true then considering the source is simply not needed.

Indeed, information from an idiot can still be true. Rejecting data because the source is not trusted closes doors that should not be closed.

Thanks and Happy Fourth.

rumor

Some people sure do like to miss your point a lot, Dave. I thought you made it well, myself, over the last couple days.

Graham Hardy

Look. It doesn’t matter that our leaders do not ‘get’ the climate disaster we have made for ourselves. Man has been an awful custodian of our beautiful planet. With all the wars, hatred, cruelty, pollution and greed, man is not worth saving, in any just sense. If we kill all those species that we are indirectly responsible for, and if we, indeed, kill ourselves, then it will be only one more mass extinction event. The Earth has had them before, and will have them again.

Lovelock is right, humans are too stupid to prevent climate change. My only regret is that, at the age of 58, I will not live to see the full extent of the catastrophe that awaits mankind. I do take solace, in the fact that the Earth will recover, after many many years.

spynetkilla

"Rationality is merely a veneer. It is a human conceit." Academics at several think tanks on both coasts are planning long-term studies of the phenomena. The resulting report will give us a glimpse of what may happen many years from now, if we don't take the necessary precautions. Following calm, rational-sounding discussion on NPR, leaders will spring to action. Because they are in full control of their conscious minds, and follow their innate goodness.

Thankfully, the Planet Stupid Project of the George Carlin Center for Delusional Thinking and Human Affairs issues their own studies on a daily basis. This is the future! It just didn't turn out exactly like Star Trek, did it?

Wanooski

@spynetkilla, and yet, there are still people that think the future will turn out like Star Trek.

Mike Roberts

Screech,

Whilst it's possible that a crazy person might accidentally hit upon something that bears some vague resemblance to reality, that is no reason to seek out, or consider, the opinion of all crazy people. The only reason to possibly do so is when you know that other people are actually unaware that the crazy individual is crazy. In this case, deconstructing the crazy bloke's ideas might be useful. But for the aware person, there is no need to do that for any self education.

On another note, it seems that the National Ocean Service saw fit to issue their opinion, that mermaids don't exist, following a Discovery Channel fictional program. Apparently, "at least two people had written to the agency asking about the creatures." At least? Can't the National Ocean Service count beyond two?

Dan

"In fact, I might be so bold as to predict that in a mere 10 years, and certainly in 20 years, most "intelligent" people will hold the "negative" views I have expressed on DOTE."

Given our remarkable ability to (a) adapt to new realities and (b) be optimistic about the future, I think that's unlikely. Even now, the climate changes slowly enough that the shifts aren't (for most people) noticeable or obvious which means that it's relatively easy to adjust expectations about the future. I think it's more likely that in 2030, unless something really awful happens, people will look at the climate in 2050 and say, "Oh, it's only going to be 1 degree hotter in 20 years. That's fine - this article says we'll have fusion by then." Obviously what they ought to say is, "In 2050, it'll be 3 or 4 degrees hotter here than it was in the pre-industrial era and fusion is always 20 years away and even if by some miracle it does turn up, it's not going to make any difference anyway." But unfortunately we're just not made that way and our collective inability to speak the latter sentence in place of the former makes our fate a racing certainty.

John Theodorou

In a way, the world-view of the party imposed itself most successfully on the people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding, they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just like a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird.

George Orwell, 1984

russell1200

Take these two generalized statements:

The "new" methods of fossil fuel extraction cause a lot of pollution. The fossil fuels themselves cause global warming.

The world is getting short of fossil fuels.

A Republican who believes in endless expansion, might deal with these issues by disbelieving the first one, and pushing for an expansion of drilling.

A Environmentalist Democrat might choose to do the opposite:
believe the first and disbelieve/ignore the second.

You could see the split between the old school Democratic leadership in North Carolina with its base over the recent fracking bill. Leadership knows that the economy wins elections. The base has a lot of envirnomentalists.

Robin Datta

George Mobus, in his blog Question Everything, reviews Craig Diwoth's book < a href="http://questioneverything.typepad.com/question_everything/2012/02/what-is-a-smart-species-like-us-doing-in-a-predicament-like-this.html">Too Smart For Our Own Good that addresses some of the issues you mention. In brief, thinking focuses on short-term advantages, neglecting long-term consequences.

White Indian

Most people need hope—however false that hope may be—to function, not being made of tougher stuff like Dave and other cynics; hence the rise of Salvationist religions, promising a heaven from the hell on earth we've created.

With the veneer of rationality a little thicker these days, the Salvationist religions are more secular, but nonetheless still religions of false hope. Catton calls them Space Age Cargo Cults in his text "Overshoot: The Ecological Basis of Revolutionary Change." http://www.ecoglobe.ch/overshoot/e/overcarg.htm

The human species' shipload of fail has indeed arrived.

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