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06/03/2012

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T E Cho

It's amazing how few really good plausable stories there are warning about possible catastrophic futures. I'm referring to 1984 and Brave New World and maybe Farentheight 491. Any others I can think of are too much science fiction and can be very easily dismissed as such. Waterworld, Terminator, and all(?) others can be dismissed as unlikely fantasy. And the 'Plausable 3' above have been around for over 50 years and get reused over and over as warning examples. Nothing new since the 1960's. And how much power have they had to serve as warning examples and prevent or resist our slide into techno-corporante-slavery ? I'd argue they are greatly under appreciated.

Only 3 books in 50 years, civilization is hanging by a thread.

T E Cho

Also, it's unclear why he doesn't call System 1 'induction' and System 2 'Deduction'.

Logical induction and deduction can be at odds with each other, the exception to the rule thing, happens often enough.

And it is possible someone will find a way to generate cheap fusion energy, great VR environments so no-one wants /needs to leave home, and a machine to create healthy gormet meals from raw sewage, just damned unlikely. so if induction says that most of history shows technology rescuing mankind from bad things at the last moment, why won't it continue? But why should it?


If you're on a roller-coaster that's been going uphill in pitch blackness, it's too easy to believe it'll keep going up. until it doesn't.

And don't forget all the experts and PhDs with vested interests giving very complex reasons why they are the
correct ones, and also at opposite ends of the spectrum on issues. Economists for example.


xraymike79

What is the narrative of the elite's to whom the rest of humanity are captive slaves? As far as I can gather, it is that perpetual economic growth must and will continue and that the excesses(crimes) of the elite(corrupt financial speculation, tax evasion via control of legislation and offshore tax havens, hollowing out of the economy via off-shoring manufacturing, the buying of political power via an army of lobbyists and campaign bribes, etc.) will continue as the normal way of running modern industrial civilization. And the narrative of the elites further holds that everyone else in society will pay for this status quo situation(a corrupt too-big-to-fail mentality protected by a bought and paid for government) through austerity.
This narrative ignores the fact that the debt will never be repaid and that growth will not go on forever in a finite planet. Why do they tell this story?.... The bottom line is that they push this narrative to protect the social hierarchy of capitalism of which they are the primary beneficiaries.
For these reasons, the future is frightening. Decisions are not being based upon reality.

brett

Excellent post today Dave...I am sitting across from my boss at a pizza delivery place now whom is a prime example of system 1 thinking. Today he started talking gossipolitics about Jeremiah wright. My boss is a fundamentalist Christian so he dislikes Obama and wright obviously. I decided to prod and ask if he thought there was any truth at all in "chickens come home to roost" as a reason for Arab aggression.

He dodged the question till I reminded him that one time I asked him if he thought people all over the world just wanted to get through the day. He said no...that they were taught to be evil and hate America from a young age. He has said before that "they" are "evil." So I asked him if he thought it was conspicuous that any country with surplus resources is exploited. He didn't understand. I gave Saudi Arabia as an example...saying protecting or instilling dictatorships is more of a guarantee then an unstable democracy.

His response was scathing saying "I've heard this theory that dick Cheney rules the world and gets kickbacks from oil money before." Then he just walked off. Clever. He thinks I am a liberal pansy I'm sure.

Ben

President Obama understands how important story telling is to the human animal, after all he ran his 2008 campaign on Hope & Change, and the restoration of America's standing in the world. Nothing that he said had any relation to reality, but since we're wired to be optimists many bought into it, electing him, and now many are scratching their heads in confusion that he didn't keep the majority of his campaign promises.

Mudduck

The thing is, Language is story. A noun, verb, and object are a short story. Our memories are codified in language, and are as shifty as the meanings of words. As you say, in the 16th Century, some began checking the stories against evidence and experience. Note the discomfort of progressive religionists as they try to accept science while maintaining the "values" of the old, unverifiable, implausible tradition. But it's worse than you suggest.

In the past 200 years, human beings have used up the cheap, easily obtained fossils energy, as well as the metal ores used to build industrial civilization. Our stories imagine that this bonanza will continue, and that creatures like us populate the universe. No, we're probably the universe's one shot at an intelligent civilization, and we've blown it. Feudal ages are returning; what of our knowledge can be retained? Here's a book review with details:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/bluecollaratheist/2012/06/02/book-review-alone-in-the-universe-why-our-planet-is-unique-part-4/

Life tends to multiply until it drowns in its own waste (see: yeast). We didn't get smart enough, soon enough.

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