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05/31/2012

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Ben

Great essay Dave. I don't think I need to say much more. Thank you.

T E CHo

The world needs better people, not better technology...

Ben

@ TE Cho

Unfortunately there are no better people. We're stuck with the people on planet Earth - we should appreciate what we have, cherish our loved ones, and be as honest to with ourselves as possible.

RobM

I completely agree with your conclusions but may have a different view on the causes. If we anthropomorphize the universe and attribute a purpose to it then that purpose would be to degrade energy gradients. Life exists because it is an excellent means for degrading energy. This explains the evidence that under the right conditions life is not a miracle but rather inevitable. So from this perspective humans are making a contribution to the purpose of the universe. And for us to do otherwise we would have to override 3.5 billion years of evolution. Bleak but probably true.

Paul

Or, bollocks to it all, crack open the booze and enjoy the ride.
Sincerely.

Dave Cohen

@Rob M

Re: This explains the evidence that under the right conditions life is not a miracle but rather inevitable

Unfortunately for your argument, there is no hard evidence demonstrating that life is inevitable under the right conditions, whatever those are. None. Nada. Zip. Zero.

However, there is quite a bit of wishful thinking that supports that position. For example, this --

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2011/12/21/1111694108.abstract

which is reported on here --

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Expectation_of_extraterrestrial_life_built_more_on_optimism_than_evidence_999.html

-- Dave

RobM

This is the evidence for the inevitability of life that I was referring to:
http://fora.tv/2007/04/18/Inevitable_Life

Most theories have at least one clear piece of evidence to support them. For example, for the implications and reality of peak oil one only need look at the correlation between growth of population and energy consumption, and the production of oil by year for the US, to know we have a really big problem.

In the case of inevitable life the clear evidence seems to be that life got started on earth as soon as the planet cooled down enough to permit the existence of life, and the fact that life has never once winked out since it got started.

LCarey

Good points. BUT it does gloss over the historical record that sometimes important, rational, far-sighted decisions DO get made - Nixon approves the creation of the EPA, Reagan approves regulation of sulfur dioxide emissions, G.H.W. Bush approves the ban on ozone depleting substances.

However, I will indeed grant that the fact that in the U.S. this hasn't happened in a RATHER LONG TIME is horrifying, as is the fact that one of the two major U.S. political parties is now given over completely to delusional thinking disconnected from reality. It's "hard" for a society to make rational decisions when they have allowed their institutions to devolve into a system for PREVENTING decision-making.

Brian M

It seems to me that part of the problem is the confluence of persons and people that often takes place in such discussions. In the context of this discussion, I think that an individual person is, at best, a sometimes rational decision-maker. The degree to which this is true depends on many factors, including the decision subjects, the individual's situation, etc.

The problem comes when you try to expand that, already limited, idea to more than one human being. It seems to me that the evidence would imply that logical decision making functions on a sort of logarithmic or inverse exponential curve that drops off steeply immediately after one person and quickly approximates zero as people are added to the decision group.

The result is that individuals wander through their lives making some rational decisions for some subset of problems they face. The remaining problems are unseen or denied, and, either way, are essentially ignored. As your measurement group expands beyond the individual, essentially ALL problems quickly fall into this latter category.

I would probably sum it up like this.... occasionally, individual humans act in rational ways, but, as a species we are driven by nature (instinct, genetics, what have you) not by rational thought.

RobM

@LCarey "Nixon approves the creation of the EPA, Reagan approves regulation of sulfur dioxide emissions, G.H.W. Bush approves the ban on ozone depleting substances."

Please correct me if I am wrong, but none of these decisions caused a lower material standard of living for the average citizen. Even the abolition of slavery happened around the time that fossil fuels could replace human labor thus avoiding hardship for the slave owners.

I've been looking for any occurrence in history of a voluntary reduction in standard of living and have not found it yet. Reducing our consumption (and production of babies) is the only thing that might help our predicament and thus the prognosis is not good, as Dave argues.

Mike Roberts

Good essay, Dave. I must admit that I was nodding along with Diamond's reasons for inaction until you pointed out that they are, largely, nonsense. Damnit, why can't I see things as clearly as you do?

Which brings me to the point that there are folks, like yourself, who clearly fall outside the space encompassed by your assumption. Does this mean that humans, as a whole, can somehow change to rational problem solvers?

"In fact, humans have fewer offspring only when their material comfort has become well-established (or so they believe)."

That's a scary thought. Do you think that, as that belief is overturned, we'll see a brief surge in population (mainly in the developed world) as deterioration accelerates?

Joy

Dear Dave,

I studied under and worked for the futurist, Caltech Biology Professor James Bonner, in the 1970s. With two colleagues, he wrote this rather dire volume a full 15 years prior to the famous 1972 MIT "Limits to Growth" book. Even in 1957, Hubbert's peak oil study was well known by the scientific elite, and is presented in the book.

The Next Hundred Years: A Discussion Prepared for Leaders of American Industry
The Viking Press; First Edition edition (1957)
James Bonner, John Weir Harrison Brown
(also mass market paperbacks from the 1960s, many available for cheap on Amazon)

In 1977 Dr Bonner gave a talk at the Alumni week called "The Next 80 Years" which was pretty bleak, but dead on. And here we are.

eugene12

Personally, I think the typical human is a mechanical sort of animal without the ability to think much at all. Our development teaches us a set of beliefs that, for the most part, we blindly follow. If the belief system doesn't work, we assume we didn't apply the belief system correctly and do it again. Unfortunately, over and over again. Education doesn't seem to impact this process much. In fact, in a rote learning educational system such as ours, it seems to make this blind process even more deeply entrenched. There are a very few who have some quirk in their mental system that they don' fall into the automatic mode. Course these people are ostrasized from the get go. Another group seems to have the ability to learn from life experience and they, too, are considered strange, weird and eccentric. For the most part, we plod along repeating behaviors over and over wondering why things don't go better.

If one wants to remain a part of society, you had better stick close to the mass belief system. Otherwise, one endures lonliness and isolation. In addition, your family may never speak to you again. As far as I can tell, the only time independent thinkers are accepted much is when the shit really hits the fan and, for a brief moment, the established processes are questioned. More likely, some fanatic preaching salvation if "you do it my way" surfaces. Blindly following alleviates the doubt, insecurity and uncertanty of thinking for one's self.

If you want to be mainstream America, be for war, cutting funds to the disadvantaged, against immagrants who picked the vegetables you're eating, cuss the government, pro the American Dream, believe climate change/limited energy are a global conspiracy and whatever else you were/are told to believe. And remember, rebellious acting out is independence in America. We're scared as hell of the real independent people.

LCarey

@RobM - In response, I might note that EPA environmental regulation, regulation of sulphur dioxide emissions and banning ozone destroying chemicals were each, at the time proposed, predicted by some to indeed lead to a significant economic impact and a greatly lowered level of economic growth. THOSE predictions were proved WRONG in the actual event. In that light, one wonders whether the actual economic dislocation resulting from taking strong rational action NOW, would really fulfill the dire predications of massive loss of standard of living? Although we, as a society, are now apparently fully committed to a policy of being dumb as fenceposts, one does wonder how much we COULD STILL ameliorate what's going to be the spectatular train wreck resulting from our mindless pursuit of "business as usual". (Especially compared to the chaotic involuntarily lowered standards of living we'll see AFTER the train-wreck!)

Alex A

One further thing is the tragedy of the commons. Whatever one person/region/government does to take care of the environment reduce population/their energy usage it will make no difference as others will not. Worse long term thinking by politiicans facing electorates is likely to leave them out of a job at the next election. Also a further aspect is denial of what is staring them in the face. I think most of the people I talk to about this by now understand what is happening to them but prefer to concentrate on holding their jobs and hoping the problem will eventually resolve itself or go away.

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