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05/21/2012

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Wanooski

We just can't friggin' win can we? No matter what we do, no matter what we try, we just can't win. If we kill our own demand for dirty fuels they'll still mine the tar sands and just ship it to China so they can burn it, same with coal. We all might as well just lock ourselves in our garages with are car engines running and wait for the sweet relief, why not? It's more or less what we're doing on a planetary scale.

Dave Cohen

@Wanooski

Yes, you've understood that humanity is in a "no-win" situation. Good for you.

However, you've got to be fucking kidding me when you say We all might as well just lock ourselves in our garages with are car engines running and wait for the sweet relief, why not?

You're alive! Enjoy it! There's lots of stuff you could do with your life instead of sitting there wringing your hands in despair and talking about locking yourself in some garage, turning on the car and waiting to die.

Get over it! Snap out of it!

I myself don't sit around saying we're fucked, why get out of bed? I write these posts, yes, but that doesn't mean I live and breath in a state of despair. It is what it is. Move on.

-- Dave

Alexander Ač

Yes, hopey-changey bullshit invades every popular talk/books. Even books named "We’re Toast: The Fate of the Species" and a review:

Unfortunately, pretty much all of the solutions Guterl talks about are blue-sky dreaming about magic technologies — geoengineering to save the climate, bioengineering to create biofuel-spewing microbes and meat that grows in test tubes — and other solutions that sound great but have so far gone nowhere. “We need to cut carbon emissions,” he writes, focusing on climate change, “and we need disruptive technologies that somehow change the energy equation.” --- http://www.climatecentral.org/blogs/basically-were-screwed-the-fate-of-the-species/

Enjoy your live(s) while you can...

Alex

Ben

@ Wanooski

i deal with this stuff by accepting that we're fucked. from there i try to make myself laugh so that i don't breakdown. i use sarcasm, self deprecating humor, imagination, cynicism etc. if i don't i wont be able to function. i wouldn't be able to go to school, maintain my social life, pursue things of interest etc.

so try to find something to occupy your mind while being totally honest about the situation.

John D

In SW Virginia where I live the people pushing wind farms on the mountain ridges say that it will reduce demand for coal and protect the region from the ravages of coal mining. Bullshit. They will mine just as much, it will just get exported somewhere else to be burned.

Wanooski

@Ben and Dave, You know, I do try. But sometimes it just isn't enough. At best I can make it a day without the despair and the rage, but it always comes washing back over me again.

eugene12

The reality is we've been in the garage with the engine running for a long time. But, hell, the radio playing pleasant music so we just talk about things. Vote for the same old fast taking politicians, support the same old military, plan our weekend activities and, for gods sake, don't get too depressed. If nothing changes, nothing changes.

I figure it's like sitting on death row.

Mike Roberts

Well spotted, Dave, regarding the delusional bit in Alyssa's article. But I took a look at the link concerning the comparison between additional exports from the North West and emissions from the XL pipeline. I noticed that the linked to article admits to leaving out "emissions associated with both products’ mining, refining, transportation, and so forth". I can't help wondering if a full calculation, for both fuels (including other environmental impacts) would find much difference between them. Not that it matters that much, of course.

Regarding getting out of bed in the morning - I'm finding that increasingly hard to do.

Ben

@Wanooski

I understand you so much that it hurts, believe me man I do. Dark thoughts are ever present in my life, but I have responsibilities to myself and others that I have to fulfill -- that keeps me going.

Mark Goldes

There are Three Ticking Time Bombs that threaten all of us.

The first is the fuel pools at Fukushima. That needs fast action to prevent the loss of many millions of lives in a highly probable earthquake.

The second is multiple nuclear plant meltdowns as the result of a surprisingly possible solar storm.

Preventing that nightmare opens the door to rapid acceleration of newly emerging cost-competitive renewable energy that can supersede much of our need for fossil fuels - faster than might readily be imagined.

See www.aesopinstitute.org for more about the challenge and the opportunity. Wise action can save our lives, and our nation, as well as have a major positive impact on the economy and environment.

C_W

“But climate activists aren’t going to let us get away with it if they can help it: Having largely succeeded in stopping Americans from burning coal, activists are trying to make sure no one else burns it either”

Although I agree with your point about how low natural gas prices are paving the way for its increased use, I would not dismiss the quote from Alyssa Battistoni as being totally delusional.

That is, so long as you defined the term, “climate activists” as including the EPA and President Obama.

Back in January and February, I spent some time looking at how EPA regulations will likely cause a decline in coal use for electrical power generation in Texas (see e.g., http://crash-watcher.blogspot.com/2012/01/texass-electrical-power-predicament.html; http://crash-watcher.blogspot.com/2012/02/texass-electrical-power-predicament.html; and http://crash-watcher.blogspot.com/2012/02/texass-electrical-power-predicament_11.html). Because of the nature of its isolated grid, this could present problems for Texas in the form of rolling blackouts, but other parts of the USA will be impacted as well.

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