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02/14/2012

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Wanooski

Hey, you know, people are getting kicked out of their homes and losing their means of income left and right, and the planet's biodiversity is in free fall but hey! Outer Space!

rumor

Following that up in line with a picture of the Enterprise, without any other comment, made me laugh out loud. I do enjoy your wicked sense of humour, Dave.

Jamie

Dave, I work with this stuff on a daily basis and have watched all the grandiose dreams fall by the wayside. On one hand, this is a sideshow... I mean outside of the space science, no one has been given a good reason to send people to Moon, Mars or anywhere else.. If there was, investors would be lining up to exploit off-planet resources.. I actually think there are worthwhile resources that would be worth going after, but it may be too late.

On the other hand, projects like JWST are used to park engineers waiting to work on black programs so a lot of money is wasted (the same was true with Hubble).. its very ambitious and I am not sure the infrastructure will keep up even if they launch it. After all, we send more on Air-Conditioning for our troops in Afghanistan than we do on the space programs.. as the book/movie says.. "He's (US) is just not all that into you". Even Newt with his grandiose schemes, wants to the cut the budget..

Dave Cohen

@Jamie

Thanks for your comments. In the 1980s, I worked for Martin Marietta, now part of Lockheed Martin, and even then they were hiding engineers who were waiting for their super secret clearances to pass muster on white ops projects, like NASA stuff. There was all sorts of waste and fraud. I can hardly imagine what it's like today.

When I was a kid, and even later as a grown-up, I thought exploration of the solar system was totally cool. I figured that even if we can't get anything right on Earth, maybe we could pull off some real technological feats. And we did, but that's all in the past now. I believe it's going to remain in the past. I was totally into the Hubble Telescope, even though we fucked it up the first time around. Hell, we fixed it! In space!

So it doesn't really matter anymore if a project is worthy or not. The government culture is so full of corruption, fraud and waste that nothing can possibly happen. And we really can't afford anything like Orion or the Webb Telescope anymore. That will become more and more obvious as this decade progresses.

What is the word I'm searching for? Ah, clusterfuck, that's it.

best,

-- Dave

Robert Firth

I agree with Dave that the US cannot afford Orion. But you don't need to - Orion essentially duplicates the Russian Energiya/Buran design, only 30 years later (and probably at 30 times the cost). If NASA returned to its original purpose of exploring space, rather than being a sugar daddy for aerospace contractors in crucial congressional districts, much would again be possible.

I know: a forlorn hope.

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