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10/26/2011

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NARNfan

They need to get the cost of college way, way down and the value of it up. It's a criminal scandal that the cost has exceeded government manipulated inflation measures for over thirty years.

CHilke

The good news is that apparently more and more people are starting to wake up and smell the coffee: "The Hill Poll: Voters say US is in decline":

"More than two-thirds of voters say the United States is declining, and a clear majority think the next generation will be worse off than this one, according to the results of a new poll commissioned by The Hill."

"A resounding 69 percent of respondents said the country is 'in decline,' the survey found, while 57 percent predict today’s kids won’t live better lives than their parents. Additionally, 83 percent of voters indicated they’re either very or somewhat worried about the future of the nation, with 49 percent saying they’re 'very worried.'"

"The results suggest that Americans don’t view the country’s current economic and political troubles as temporary, but instead see them continuing for many years."

http://thehill.com/polls/189273-the-hill-poll-most-voters-say-the-us-is-in-decline

Ed

Now that is some sound advice Mr. Hicks. Barack should put that in leaflet en use some of the B52 bombers to drop those leaflets all over the USA (and the rest of the western world). That would affect the crisis in a more positive way then all the TARP's and what not he and his Chicago boys deluxe have come up with.

Greetings, Ed

One addition if that is "gestatted"

11) Work for a major (stock exchange) company is not a good idea either. Work for family owned businesses or work for your own wallet.

John D

Let's see. Social Security- out. Pension- out. 401k- out. What's the 4th choice? Under the mattress, or buy a farm with some chickens and cows?

Bill Hicks

@John D - I wish the farm was an option for me, but I was born with the brownest of brown thumbs.

John Ludi

Good one as usual, Mr. Hicks.

Dave Cohen

I looked at those poll numbers Chilke talked about. Quoting from the results--

"The degree of pessimism, however, varies sharply by race and party affiliation, The Hill Poll found. REPUBLICANS, for instance, HAVE LESS HOPE for the country’s future, with 90 PERCENT saying the United States is declining and 66 percent predicting today’s kids will be worse off than their parents. By contrast, FEWER THAN HALF OF DEMOCRATIC respondents indicated the country is in decline (47 percent) or fear for the next generation’s living standards (45 percent)."

If we had a Republican president, I assume the situation would be reversed. So, it's still hard to say how many people understand America's decline, despite the astonishing rapidity of the change in the last decade, and especially the last 3 years.

Which means, apropos Bill's post, that many, many people are going to be completely UNPREPARED for the coming disaster.

-- Dave

Mulligan

Good point Dave, you have to look at exactly what the people think the decline means, and what is causing it, most seem to think that it is just a temporary setback, or perhaps a relativley long one, but they still think that there will be a turnaround to the "good old days" as long as A, B or C is done.

Brian M

You know, it's not just that they're unprepared. It's that they are so stuck in the box, so totally brainwashed about the American Way of Life, that they cannot even fathom the possibilities. To the extent that they think the US is really in decline, they think it is simply a political issue, an economic issue, a standard of living issue, an issue defined by whether their kids will be able to consume more and destroy more than their parents did. What these people are unprepared for is reality outside the tiny little box that has been built for them to live in.

They can't understand the problem because it is entirely outside of the plane of their existence. It's like me trying to explain life in another dimension. I have no knowledge or experience set that can possibly frame such an understanding. The best I can do is use my imagination and create fiction. That, folks, is what most of the people are doing most of the time... doing their best to live their fiction. Unfortunately for them, the real world is continually making it harder and harder for that fiction to feel real. Perhaps that's one of the reasons for the extremism and polarity, people are having to fight harder and harder to maintain the fiction.

Bill Hicks

@Dave - I totally agree. Sadly, way too many people STILL equate the condition of the country with whether they like the person in the White House. They are no doubt among those who will NEVER wake up before its too late.

Bill Hicks

@Brian M - VERY well put.

Alexander Ač

Yeah!

Slightly OT, but here is Hans Rosling presentation on population growth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTznEIZRkLg&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLF051B235F7FDFB13

Matt Ridley is irrational hyperpessimist compared to (well intentioned) Hans Rosling.

We are totally fucked up.

Alex

Leon Haller

This article is ludicrous. Yes, things are bad and getting worse. But some of the problems are eminently correctable -if and only if we had the right type of, yes, CONSERVATIVE political leadership. We are being destroyed in the US due to :

1. Third World immigration 'diversity' (do I have to explain this?)

2. badly behaved domestic diversity

3. Government at all levels spending vastly too much money

4. Too much economy killing government regulation of business

5. the dysgenic trend (US IQ has been falling for a century).

There are other problems, but there are solutions, too. For starters:

Stop immigration. End affirmative action. Hang violent criminals en masse (and make every convict do productive and hard physical labor, like road repair - bring back the chain gang). Legalize the right to carry firearms. End foreign non-security aid. Militarily seal the border with Mexico. Abolish the Fed and return to a 100% gold dollar. Radically privatize and downsize govt at al levels. Radical tax simplification. Radical deregulation of economy. End harassment of energy producers. Restrict job-killing EPA. End animal rights nonsense. Raise age of eligibility for SS and Medicare to 70, in line with longevity increases. Revamp public schooling, to focus relentlessly on the basics - reading and math. Recognize that most people DO NOT BELONG IN COLLEGE. Encourage high school vocational training for the unintelligent (bottom 90%) instead. End welfare for non-disabled. Bring back loud, public support for traditional morality and mentality (whose foundation is criminal punishment).

We need to get seriously rightwing - economically libertarian, socially authoritarian - and fast.

Mulligan

Leon Haller, you are a fascist, please F-O-&-D. Everything you believe in will lead to a dead, cratered, and smoking world filled with miserable and possibly violently revolting people.

raintonite

Leon Haller obviously considers himself in the 10%. Not for him hanging, the chain gaing, nor dead end jobs, but one who owns and wields the whip hand.

Horrary, we're saved.

PS Do us 90% get to wear medieval sack clothe? Will work houses have cold running water, or is that being too soft on the unworthy?

Paul

After the last financial meltdown Germany spawned Hitler. The ingredients are slowly brewing again. We must all stay aware.

Bill Hicks

@Paul - You got that right.

Alexander Ač

We will get probably "several Hitlers" at one time and only few will recognize them. Only that "this time is different"...

Alex

D

It's amazing to see the churn this type of thinking creates. These tenets are correct, but vastly hard to swallow for most people, particularly the part about not procreating. We are headed for a major paradigm shift and that is freaking the living s**t out of most people—the ones clinging so strongly to their outdated belief system that they're clambering for a return to "conservative" leadership or an enlightened "liberal." The sad fact is that either choice is the same. Our "democracy" is now kaput. Every child born in this country today is being born into bondage or at least a legacy of cancer. Humanity has outgrown our host planet's carrying capacity, and America has outgrown its creativity and compassion.

The United States has become a Third World country; we just haven't got the guts to admit it yet. China is the Next Big Thing. America's next logical evolution will be a slide into fascism. Like the wise gentleman named Paul pointed out, the U.S. is about the spawn the next incarnation of the Nazis. We just aren't truthful enough or enlightened enough to admit it yet. We labor under the delusion that just because our nation was once benevolent that we will always be benevolent. Read your history. See what happened to Germany after WWI. A fierce sense of nationalism in the wake of a period of national shame, coupled with a vicious, charismatic leader gave rise to the Nazis. We have all parts of the equation except for the charismatic leader. But we sure do seem to be searching for one, don't we?

Maybe Number 11 in the article should be "Don't Renew Your Passport".

I'd say "God help our nation," but that would only serve to incite our budding fascism even more....

Don't believe these things? You need only wait a few more years.

Deck Hazen

The first rule of Peak Oil is "Nobody talks about Peak Oil" the second rule of Peak Oil is "Nobody talks about Peak Oil"

Not if you want to have any friends, or if you'd prefer to have your family think you're still sane.

This sounds like an exaggeration - like paranoia - but lots of people owe me a reply I doubt I'll ever see.

When I initially came to grips with "the terrible trio" (energy, economy, and environment) I felt compelled to warn everyone - to force the issue - to beat down any and all counter arguments one by one.

Bad Idea - people just get mad at you. You want to save them, help them get a little more prepared - but you can't - if you push too hard and they will shut you out - push too soft and your message gets ignored.

My compromise in the end was to draft a list of the videos I found most persuasive - those that make the point without being "in your face" about it. I offered the list to my friends as an off-hand comment like "oh - by the way, I've got this list of videos that I hope you'll look at ... "

To date, no one has come back with questions or comments on it.

I hope that when (if) we make it through all this I'll be able to say "I tried". Anyone got a better way? I'd sure love to hear it.

- Deck

Here's my list:

A Crude Awakening
Arithmetic, Population & Energy (probably have to take this out -- too much math)
Blind Spot
Crash Course
Crude ABC Documentary
Crude Impact
History Channel on Crude (anti-peak - thrown in for balance)
Oil, Smoke and Mirrors
Our Local Future - Climate Change, Peak Oil & The End of Money 2009
Permaculture and Peak Oil - Beyond Sustainability
The Automatic Earth
The End of Suburbia
The Power Of Community (on Cuba)

Martin Hanson

Re Deck's comments: An important item missing from Deck's list:

"The Money Masters" - a very detailed look at the gigantic fraud that is banking, and how the bankers have developed their grip on all of us.

Martin Hanson

Martin Hanson

I should have added:

"Preparing for a post-peak life" - also available on the web.

Alexander Ač

Deck,

there is no solution to help "THE MASS". It is over, sorry.

Alex

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