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08/15/2011

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CB

Yes in the current US system individuals are considered "consumers" while corporations are considered "citizens." Hence the sentiment.

adam

I am not surprised by the lack of $1000 in emergency money. Americans badly need to save, they need capital, but on the one hand you have people who literally have nothing to spare and on the other a "keep up with the Joneses" attitude. Debt is used to fill in the cracks.

Debt is the next best thing to slavery for keeping people down, and our system is built on people living off debt. I for one think this is at least partly intentional. Most people are just modern-day serfs, they are dependent on their employers for nearly everything. Living in debt means they will do anything to hold onto that job, no matter how they are exploited.

Mr. Roboto (formerly Loveandlight)

Thrift is not a virtue in an economic system that depends upon growth in order to be healthy. But you can't have infinite growth on a finite planet. Therefore any system that depends on growth in order to be "healthy" is actually unhealthy, isn't it?

Dennis

The CNNMoney video seems...well, absurd. Save and invest in a mutual fund, a Wall Street product? If any non-insider hasn't figured out that shell-game by now and chooses to invest in a pump-and-dunp bubble, that's an example of Natural Selection in action.

Sure, in a rational economy, one not based on a fiat currency, saving increases personal security and propels the economy. But where is the incentive for an individual to save dollars with inflation at two-and-one-half times the rate of interest on savings and certain to increase? Sensible saving, these days, means two things: first, taking advantage of a dip in the price of gold and, second, spending the rest on measures to insulate oneself and one's family from the effects of economic collapse. Get ready for the time when chickens and firewood will be the medium of exchange.

Gail

Good point Adam. Maybe instead of the "consumers" Dave puts in quotes, we should all start calling ourselves "indentured servants"!

Tim

As the previous comment noted, savings does not make much sense in today's world. Cash gets taxed by inflation. Banks do not pay much better than cash. Money markets and mutual funds are a ponzi.

Gold and silver are the answer but at the moment they are bullion products, not money.

Hugo Salinas Price has suggested a solution. Make a silver coin with a quoted monetary value. The quoted value stays the same until costs of making the coin increase and then it ratchets upwards. At no time does the quoted value decrease.

Holding this kind of a monetary gold or silver coin would provide an effective way to save money. At no time would you lose your investment but at the same time, you would be protected against inflation.

With bullion, every trade is a barter and two prices must be negotiated. With money, only one price is involved in the discussion and this convenience is a great savings and an aid to commerce.

The problem right now is that our money is no good and is getting worse by the day. We need gold and silver *money* NOW to circulate along with the Federal Reserve Notes.

db

It's striking, but hardly surprising, that consumer confidence is at it's lowest since 1980...It of a piece with my memory of Carter-era economic "malaise," the hostage crisis and the election of Reagan.

Nowell_Sukkar

I am an optimist but after reading so many Direr pridiction I think its a little too late. This recent quote is pretty scary !!
"Naked ambition & political cowardice have sentenced the once-great USA to AN ECONOMIC ARMAGEDDON of biblical proportions". Martin D. Weiss

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