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07/14/2011

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sharonsj

The stimulus was watered down by Republicans who insisted a large portion of it go to big business and the rich as tax cuts. They also prevented it from being bigger than was needed. Chunks of money went to the states with no strings attached, and the state governors used it for different things--not necessarily to help the average person.

Whatever success the stimulus had has been squashed by the disappearance of real jobs that pay a living wage (with benefits). Now all you hear about are part-time jobs with no benefits. I don't see the clowns either in Congress or in my state legislature doing a damn thing about the problem other than firing teachers, police, and firefighters. Yeah, that's really going to help the economy.

Mitch

I would reiterate the point often made on this website in response to the "stimulus was watered down". We have reached the end of growth, in terms of cheap energy, and what the environment can sustain going forth. The status quo, was impossible to sustain, consumption pulled forward in terms of personal or public debt or so called "stimulus" would not have changed things much and the outcome would remain the same. A more vigorous stimulus, at best would have maybe given a temporary boost, with the same results once the consensus delusion known as 'endless growth' broke down.

Sure the rich are continuing to use the rigged system to 'get theirs' as the masses continue to struggle and wake up to the fact that the middle class lifestyle was a temporary blip on the map. Rational simplicity or steady state economy models based on far less 'wealth' will require people to reorganize their values away from stuff. Unfortunately, the transition period may end up just turning the US into a 3rd world country, but during a period of ecological decline (food, water), phosphorous etc etc. I'm not sure why all the wringing of hands over the top down Hierarchy failing the 'masses'--since this has been the case throughout human history, cheap oil provided a temporary change to this for some. The US's oil dominance which ended in the 70's tracks nicely with our change to a debtor nation. Consumption moved forward must be paid eventually, or massively defaulted upon--regardless even if we are informed peasants, peasants we remain.

John D

Some comments on the stimulus: I heard that for the rural broadband project, it cost an average of $350,000 per household to extend internet capability to rural areas. In upper Montana, one house alone cost $7M. Also, I read that the city of Oakland contracted with a Chinese construction company to build a bridge and have it shipped in pieces by barge for installation. This was in order to save $400M in US labor costs. This Chinese company has also built several Washington DC area schools. Not positive this was stimulus money, but probably was.

Regarding the governments inability to forecast- I went through the President's budget prepared by OMB. Forecasted growth is solely based on past historical time periods following recessions. In fact they stated that generally the worse the recession, the better the growth following the recession. Their 'conservative' forecasts were for 4-5% growth in upcoming years. They basically don't have a clue.

Gail

The failure of financial policy is DWARFED by the failure of environmental and energy policies. As Mother Nature will soon remind us, to our everlasting regret.

John Andersen

My position is now to make necessary lifestyle changes at the personal level, and at best, at the community level, and then call it good.

I no longer place any hope or expectations in politicians.

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