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11/27/2010

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Dan

Excellent Post, Dave. It is a joke really, when you think of it, that airport security is where large numbers of Americans have (attempted to) take a stand on the 4th amendment. Go ahead, read our mail, listen to our phone calls, track our library cards and credit cards, detain us indefinitely without charge, invent military tribunals from whole cloth, extraordinarily render us to fascist countries for interrogation, hire lawyers to rewrite the definition of torture, pass state laws permitting blatant racial profiling, and so on ad nauseam. Yet, touch our bodies when we want to fly the big airplane, we are Mad As Hell, shocked really, to find that unwarranted violations of our civil rights are going on in this country, in the name of the war on the abstract noun, and we are Not Going To Take It Anymore. Really? - d

Jeremy Bunn

Dan, I agree this was an excellent post, and I also used to find it a bit ridiculous that body-searches at airports was the point where Americans started to demonstrate some resistance to the creeping surveillance state -- but then I realized that the other wretched abuses you list can be done in secret, away from us, but the search has to be done in one's presence, to oneself and one's family. We have no power to stop the surveillance of communications, the wars, the lies, torture, etc. But we can (for now) refuse a scan, and we can opt out of flying in protest (the latter being the only technique that will be effective if enough people do it, no matter how much the MSM lie about it). At least some people are resisting this, though among my well=fed left-liberal friends and family (I could be considered well-fed left-liberal too), my stated intention to opt out of the scan for our already planned & purchased trip to the East Coast and to cease flying at all afterward has caused considerable tension. I guess they still believe in the hologram.

Jeremy Bunn

Dan, I agree this was an excellent post, and I also used to find it a bit ridiculous that body-searches at airports was the point where Americans started to demonstrate some resistance to the creeping surveillance state -- but then I realized that the other wretched abuses you list can be done in secret, away from us, but the search has to be done in one's presence, to oneself and one's family. We have no power to stop the surveillance of communications, the wars, the lies, torture, etc. But we can (for now) refuse a scan, and we can opt out of flying in protest (the latter being the only technique that will be effective if enough people do it, no matter how much the MSM lie about it). At least some people are resisting this, though among my well=fed left-liberal friends and family (I could be considered well-fed left-liberal too), my stated intention to opt out of the scan for our already planned & purchased trip to the East Coast and to cease flying at all afterward has caused considerable tension. I guess they still believe in the hologram.

Vern Stevens

Did you redress the violation of your Fourth Amendment rights through the courts? Are you at all familiar with the courts opinion on airport searches with respect to the Fourth Amendment? It is easy for you to declare your rights have been violated. It is quite another thing to actual pursue the matter in court and prove they have actually been violated.

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